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Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:35 am
by AgentTBC
Does anyone know how this specialization works in Endsieg? I assume it means you can buy ME262 and the like earlier, but so far I'm at Anzio and still just chugging along with the FW190s. Although for some reason I can't seem to buy the advanced FW190s anymore, only the kinda crappy early ones. Good thing I have a bunch and a 410 or stwo.

I'm kind of regretting the spec points if you end up only getting the jets one scenario early or something?

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:04 am
by Halvralf
About the FW 190 issue see this link http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 68#p754972

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:04 pm
by Horst
With v7.1.4, Advanced Aeronautics is only used for JP and US jets so far as requirement to purchase them:
Kikka: 1/12/1945
ki-201: 12/5/1946

P-80: 18/6/1945

German jets can be regularily purchased without the spec, so it's currently a waste of points:
Ar 234: 5/8/1943
Me 262: 2/8/1944

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:54 pm
by 13obo
The spec says advanced german planes become available for purchase earlier, not that it's required to purchase them. Could anyone confirm if the early purchase option works or not?

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:13 pm
by terminator
No advanced_aeronautics specialisation for German planes in units.csv

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:16 pm
by 13obo
What does that mean in Layman terms regarding buying German planes earlier, please? Is the spec useful or not?

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:22 pm
by terminator
13obo wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:54 pm
The spec says advanced german planes become available for purchase earlier, not that it's required to purchase them. Could anyone confirm if the early purchase option works or not?
The spec does not specifically say "german" planes but "our aviation". This spec is available for all the nation's but no German planes have this specialisation in the units.csv so it seems to be useless.
This specialisation makes the planes available in 1944.
This specialisation requires Tizard_Mission ????

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:32 pm
by kondi754
I think this specialization shouldn't be in the game at all, that's why I removed it
(and a few others too)

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:37 pm
by terminator
kondi754 wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:32 pm
I think this specialization shouldn't be in the game at all, that's why I removed it
(and a few others too)
Suppress Tizard_Mission (requires) in specialisation.csv and add Advanced_Aeronautics in units.csv (specialisation) then it should work

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:53 pm
by Horst
Like I wrote, the spec is simply a requirement to purchase JP/US jet fighters; nothing more, nothing less.
I guess the "earlier available" description was made, similiar like the JP tank-program, because JP jets weren't historically beyond the paper or prototype phase during the war.
The German Ar 234 is still too early available in 1943 even without that spec.

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:14 pm
by 13obo
Thank you very much! Things are much (un)clearer now in the sense that I'll avoid getting the spec... Perhaps it should be added to the list of bugs? I'll pop a reply to bru's topic.

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:10 pm
by terminator
terminator wrote:
Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:37 pm
Suppress Tizard_Mission (requires) in specialisation.csv and add Advanced_Aeronautics in units.csv (specialisation) then it should work
It changes nothing, this specialisation seems not working

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:36 pm
by AgentTBC
Welp! I didn't want those 10 spec points anyway!

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:31 am
by TheFilthyCasual
Waste of points as Germany because you don't need it. Waste of points as Britain because the Meteor isn't in the game for some bizarre reason. Description as USA or Japan is faulty because it's not that you get them earlier, but that you can't get them at all if you don't have it.

Does nobody check these things before they put them in? Did two different people make the specs and the unit roster and never talk to each other or something?

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:25 am
by Horst
Aeronautic was designed three years ago when the game came out with only US and JP in mind. I guess there wasn’t much effort to think about it much later anymore if all jets should require this spec or not.
No idea what adherbal, the coder and designer of the game, is currently doing in secret since May when he stopped bothering about posting here. At least he still seems to have time to create new bugs for the game. :P

The Meteor jet is in the game since Endsieg and should work fine. Isn't it available for purchase in the last two scenarios of the Burma campaign in 45 now?

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:04 am
by GabeKnight
Horst wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:25 am
The Meteor jet is in the game since Endsieg and should work fine. Isn't it available for purchase in the last two scenarios of the Burma campaign in 45 now?
Yes, it is and it does.
TheFilthyCasual wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:31 am
Does nobody check these things before they put them in? Did two different people make the specs and the unit roster and never talk to each other or something?
:lol: Yeah, I've formulated that theory once, too...

Re: Advanced Aeronautics

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:32 am
by hrafnkolbrandr
Why the hell is it on the German tree then???