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What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by Andy1972 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:06 am

Got ToN in the mail Saturday and I have been playing with the Russian Infantry Corps, Army of the West 1812

Competent Corps 30

1st Div mixed Skilled div commander Charismatic 60

4 dragoons avg/drilled officer 52
4 dragoons avg/drilled 52
4 Uhlans avg/drilled/lance 40
4 Jagers avg/drilled 48
6 Musketeers avg/drilled 60
4 Musketeers avg/drilled 40
2 6lbs foot art avg/drilled 40

2nd Div Infantry Skilled div commander

4 Musketeers avg/drilled art/sk 58
4 Grenadiers Sup/drilled officer/art 68
4 Musketeers avg/conscript cav 34
3 12lbs art avg/drilled 72

3rd Div Cavalry Div Competent 30 commander

4 Cuirassiers avg/vet 64
4 Cuirassiers avg/drilled officer 64

This should be 850 points for Historicon.. I have read the rules but I have yet to play a game.. The inf div job is to sit still and let the 12lbs pound away.. The mix divison will be my offensive arm as will my cav div held in reserve... This plan may not work, because I do not know how the game flows:-/ And none of the guys I game with have picked this up... Just looking for constructive critisim.. I really want a army with regular troops for the most part.. I do not want to be a power gamer for my first time out.. No guards ect:)
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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by BrettPT » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:39 am

Hi Andy

My first thought on your list is that your mixed division is going to find it very hard to recover cohesion. 7 units, but you will only get 2 recovery attempts (one from the DC and one from your CC - who ideally should support your attacking force) in each of your recovery phases for troops in this division. If you intend to use this division as an attack force, I can see it getting bogged down.

I would consider breaking the 1st Division into a separate cavalry division and an infantry division - use the 60 points you spent on a skilled charismatic general to buy two competant DCs.

This would, for the same points, turn your current 3 CMTs per bound (2 command points plus the attached DC) into 4 (2 Command points in total plus 2 attached DCs) and also increase your recovery attempt rolls from 2 to 3. You could drop 10 points somewhere in the list and make the assault infantry division's DC charismatic.

You might also consider shuffling your infantry so that the assault formation contains the troops best suited to this. This would mean 2 x large average drilled units (maybe drop an attachment or two and get a 2nd large Musketeer unit) with rear support from a cheap small unit (ie the conscripts). Moving one of your brigade commander attachments to a large unit designed to assault would also be worth thinking about.

Amyway, just a thought ...

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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by DuncA » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:43 am

p158 of TofN - Composition of Divisions

Mixed divisions can only contain 1 or 2 units of cavalry.
All divisions must contation a least 3 units.

If you're having an infantry division to just sit there with the artillery, you probably just want to keep the infantry as cheap as possible.

Therefore, move the Superior Grenadiers into your attacking division (and get a second unit if you can, supported by some conscripts). If you're planning on them fireing, then Veteran will be a better option with artillery / skirmisher attachments.

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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by BrettPT » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:56 pm

All divisions must contation a least 3 units.
This raises a good point. The rules on page 16 allow a cavalry division of 2 cavalry units only. Infantry divisions have a minimum of 3 units.
ToN states that all divisions must have 3 units minimum.

I assume that ToN trumps the rules here?

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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by Andy1972 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:12 am

Going by the list, up to 1 mixed divison may be usded which may contain up to 8 bases of dragoons and up to 6 bases of light cavalry.. All mixed and Infantry divisions MUST contain 3 Inf and 1 artillery unit... I didn't realize I could make a cav div out of my infantry list... I'll tinker with it some more.. DuncA I see what you are saying, but the list says otherwise.
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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by bahdahbum » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:49 am

Think about fortifications and put your heavy artillery there . Hard nut to crack

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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by Andy1972 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:09 pm

Here is a revised list

Competent Corps 30

1st Div Inf Skilled Charismatic 60
6x Musketeers avg/drilled officer 72
6x Musketeers avg/drilled 60
4x Grenadiers vet artillery 62
2x 6lbs 40

2nd Div Inf Competent 30
6x Musketeers avg/drilled art 60
4x Jagers avg/drilled 48
4x Musketeers avg/conscript 28
2x 12lbs art 48

3rd Div Cav Competent 30
4x Dragoons avg/drilled 40
4xHussars avg/drilled officer 44
4xUhlans avg/drilled 40

4th Div Cav Competent 30
4x Cuirassiers avg/drilled/shock officer 64
4x Cuirassiers avg/drilled/schock

848 points


1st Div is my attack Div.. 2nd is base.. 3rd is for supporting the flank of the 1st and the 4th held in reserve
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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by mellis1644 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:48 pm

I don't think this is legal. Your forth division needs at least 3 units unless there is something special which allows them to break that.

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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by Andy1972 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:35 pm

Page 158 Composition of Divisions A* Cavalry division may contain any number of cavalry units plus a single horse artillery unit.. But I also see All divisions must contain at least 3 units.. I am wondering if its infantry:-/
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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by Andy1972 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:01 am

Ah.. You are correct mellis... Goodness, a division of Cuirassiers is crazy expensive!
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Re: What do you think about this list for Russian Inf Corps?

Post by bahdahbum » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:10 am

You could use some cossacks in your cavalry division . They give support and are a cavalry unit .So they could be used as rear echellon and support the other 2 front units :D

It seems to me you still use the list from the rule book or am I mistaken !

The rule for russian division is 3 infantry units + 1 art for infantry and mixed divisions only .

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