Gustav Vasa -- Phase 5: Planning orders

[voskarp]

Swedish army in Nerke defeated.

[hidde]

Bad luck, Oskar Again perfidious general batesmotel stymies our plans...
Does this mean that Army of Nerke will be dissolved?
If I take Westmanland can the Nerke army retreat to Dalarna? (Well, doesn't hurt to ask, does it?)
My battle with Steve is going slow but at least it seams like I've been able to catch two skirmishers.
Standings should be 4/20 vs 0/22 then...for a while.

[cavehobbit]

You got it right, Anders. You need to take Westmanland, else Army of Nerke has nowhere to withdraw...

[stockwellpete]

Any more developments?

[hidde]

Any more developments?

Not much. Our free time seems badly synched at the moment.
We're at turn 7 I think and first contact will probably come next turn or the turn after that.

[hidde]

The Swedish cause is alive. Freedom or death!
The Danish oppressors are thrown back and Westmanland liberated.
Freedomfighters in Westmanland and Helsingland; hear the call and rise against the tyrant!

End of battle. Army of Dalarna (15/22) vs Army of Västerås (21/20)
Swedish BGs not seen in the picture are routed.

[cavehobbit]

Thanks, Anders.

But I fear the Danish won't give up Westmanland that easy. Your army just have time for quick lunch when the Danish Army of Uppsala arrives. So prepare for ME battle, not the same battlefield as it is now a ME battle. I will prepare the scenario today. If I remember correctly Turk1964 will command the men from Uppsala.

The few Danish survivors in this first battle withdraw in haste to Västerås Castle and barricade themselves in one of of the towers...

[Turk1964]

Yes I am the commander of the Uppsala army and at last we are moved into the front line.

[hidde]

Eh-hum...may have gotten a little carried away by the magnitude of the moment...
but my battle-hardened "Dalmasar" awaits you with supreme confidence

[cavehobbit]

Here's the battle between Army of Dalarna and Army of Uppsala: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/535 ... 8P2%29.zip

As usual, check if I've missed something and remember to use Free Deployment when setting up game.

There's much at stake in this battle. If the Swedish army wins:
1) Westmanland (and its army) will join the rebellion, although there will be no place for the army to gather this phase.
2) Helsingland will join the rebellion.
3) The Army of Nerke can withdraw to Dalarna and therefore avoid being dissolved.

Good luck, both of you and have fun!

/P-A

[batesmotel]

P-A,

I'm not sure if the rules are clear on this. Does the defending army fighting a second battle have to fight with its remaining BGs form the first battle or does it get to refill it's strength upto the limit, e.g. 20 BG, from it's pool of remaining BGs not used in the initial battle. (Or does the defender just choose a new army from the remaining BGs for that arm.y)

Chris

[hidde]

The challenge is made.
PW=GoVasa!

Chris, if and when the defeated Army of Västerås fight again it can only use what's left. It has to merge with another army to grow bigger.
The next battle however, is between the Army of Dalarna and the the Army of Uppland who had an order to march to Westmanland.
That's my understanding of the rules.

[cavehobbit]

Chris,

I guess you refer to the Army of Dalarna in this case? They will have 20 BGs in their battle against the Army of Uppsala. This is one of the advantages with larger armies, they should be able to fight more battles in a single round. The reason why an army only can field 20 BGs in a battle is to make the battles a bit faster, and I think it's more fun playing battles with the same number of BGs rather than say 35 vs 20, which also gives "smaller" armies a chance to win against "larger"

I will look into the rules and clarify this.

If the Army of Uppsala wins, it can merge with what remains with the Army of Västerås to create an army with more than 20 BGs (if enough BGs survive...), but the max number of BGs in an army is 35 (all named commanders are bonuses and does not count into these 35). I set the max number to 35 just to have a limit.

I hope I've answered your question.

/P-A

[pantherboy]

Our weighty hopes rest upon your shoulders Turk. As regards to the battle since both armies moved in this turn what happens if there is a draw?

[cavehobbit]

Our weighty hopes rest upon your shoulders Turk. As regards to the battle since both armies moved in this turn what happens if there is a draw?

Good question! In the new rules I wrote this:

7.6.5 If the result of the battle was a draw.
7.6.5.1 In attacks against a castle, the defending side count as winner, see section 7.6.4.
7.6.5.2 In battles in a province, both sides check the total number of BGs left in the army after the battle. If one side has double or more BGs than the opposing army, the stronger army wins, see section 7.6.2 and 7.6.3. If neither side has double or more BGs left, the attacking army may choose to either withdraw to a free neighbouring province (if for example that side has another army attacking the enemy BG), or stay and fight a new battle next phase. This battle will be a ME and count as happening before any other army moves according to the issued orders. Neither of the two armies involved may be given orders.

But I missed what would happen in ME battles if neither army has double or more BGs. I suggest the army which entered the province first is considered the defender. Does this sounds ok?

[pantherboy]

I'd probably say that in the event of a ME draw then both sides remain in the province or have the option to retreat. They then fight again the following turn.

[cavehobbit]

I'd probably say that in the event of a ME draw then both sides remain in the province or have the option to retreat. They then fight again the following turn.

Good idea! Wish I had come up with it myself
If this is ok with the Swedish side, then I'll add this to the rules.

[hidde]

Second battle of Westmanland is over. Vasa and his Dalmasar stands victorious!
Swedish insurgents 7/22
Danish oppressors 28/21


The Danish crossbowmen and the knights in the lower right corner are routed.
Not seen in the pic are two Swedish skirmishers and one bowmen. All three steady.

[stockwellpete]

So, all this has come to pass ,

1) Westmanland (and its army) will join the rebellion, although there will be no place for the army to gather this phase.
2) Helsingland will join the rebellion.
3) The Army of Nerke can withdraw to Dalarna and therefore avoid being dissolved.

[hidde]

So, all this has come to pass ,

1) Westmanland (and its army) will join the rebellion, although there will be no place for the army to gather this phase.
2) Helsingland will join the rebellion.
3) The Army of Nerke can withdraw to Dalarna and therefore avoid being dissolved.

I for one eagerly awaits the updated campaign map. Some difficult decisions to be made I would think!