The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

General discussion forum for anything related to Field of Glory Renaissance Wars.

Moderators: terrys, hammy, Slitherine Core, FOGR Design

Jhykronos
Staff Sergeant - StuG IIIF
Staff Sergeant - StuG IIIF
Posts: 250
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:52 pm

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by Jhykronos »

Okay, tired of waiting for official word, my group is looking at testing an altered point system for mounted as follows:

Elite Superior Average Poor
Determined Horse Armored 18 15 10 6
Determined Horse Unarmored 15 12 8 5
Gendarmes F or H Arm. 19 16 11 7
Cavaliers Armored 17 14 9 5
Cavaliers Unarmored 14 11 7 4
Horse/Cavalry H Armored 16 13 9 5
Horse/Cavalry/Lt Horse Armored 12 10 7 4
Horse/Cavalry/Lt Horse Unarmored 10 8 5 3
Elephants 18

Impact Mounted 2
Hv Lance 2
Lt Lance 1
Impact Pistol 1
Carbine (Horse) 1
Carbine/Bow (Cavalry or Lt Horse) 2
Bow* 1
Melee Pistol 2
Swordsmen 1

Foot: Remove 4 point charge for Swedish Brigades

This is essentially a compromise between Nik's more popular suggestion and Alasdair's input that Armored DH and Cavaliers were a better value than heavily armored horse. We charged an extra point for heavy lances over light lances, but reduced the cost of Gendarmes by 1 more to compensate (so French Catholic Gendarmes classed as horse with heavy lance might be a bit overpriced, but considering their historical foes include Spanish horse and Gendarmes with light lance, I'm not going to worry about it too much). We also reduced the cost of mounted swordsmen and the cost of Carbine in the hands of non-evading horse.

There are still a couple of un-addressed issues:

Is the discount for cavalry (who are often also swordsmen) too much here?
How about light horse and light foot, who many would say are overpriced?
Dragoons are still a no-brainer for the cost (although I'd say the biggest problem with dragoons is more their unhistorical capabilities as super-skirmishers more than anything. It's an improvement over the liability they were in previous rule sets, but it would be nice to see a happy medium)
ravenflight
Brigadier-General - 15 cm Nblwf 41
Brigadier-General - 15 cm Nblwf 41
Posts: 1966
Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:52 am

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by ravenflight »

Jhykronos wrote:snipped comments here
The one thing that you've 'forgotten' IMHO is the non-evading cavalry. I'd make it:

Lance - 1 point, unless cavalry, which is 0.

Even then, lance armed cavalry are probably over-priced.
Jhykronos
Staff Sergeant - StuG IIIF
Staff Sergeant - StuG IIIF
Posts: 250
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:52 pm

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by Jhykronos »

ravenflight wrote:
Jhykronos wrote:snipped comments here
The one thing that you've 'forgotten' IMHO is the non-evading cavalry. I'd make it:

Lance - 1 point, unless cavalry, which is 0.

Even then, lance armed cavalry are probably over-priced.
Honestly, evading for cavalry is pretty useless 98% of the time anyway, since they don't have the improved maneuverability of their ancients equivalents (in 2.0 anyway). So it could be argued that all cavalry are still overpriced...

Still, Lance/Sword cavalry are quite a bit cheaper in this system as-is. We'll see how it works out.
spotteddog
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
Posts: 826
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:17 pm

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by spotteddog »

Is this topic dead now folks?
spotteddog
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
Posts: 826
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:17 pm

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by spotteddog »

or maybe just sleeping. Fine by me as I think the rules work great as is.
HH
nikgaukroger
Field of Glory Moderator
Field of Glory Moderator
Posts: 10287
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:30 am
Location: LarryWorld

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by nikgaukroger »

spotteddog wrote:Is this topic dead now folks?

Well you could try and persuade me to come out of retirement and see about some sort of official amendment :shock:

No promises, as I'd have to talk to Slitherine, and Richard is too busy with the PC stuff, but if there is real interest I may be open to looking into it 8)
Nik Gaukroger

"Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you.
If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith

nikgaukroger@blueyonder.co.uk
spotteddog
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
1st Lieutenant - 15 cm sFH 18
Posts: 826
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:17 pm

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by spotteddog »

Fog r has given me many happy hours of game play and I am very grateful for that Nik. I think I may well be moving on though rules wise so its not a big issue for me now. I don't have any sense of whether or not others are keen for amendments.
Thanks again
HH
ravenflight
Brigadier-General - 15 cm Nblwf 41
Brigadier-General - 15 cm Nblwf 41
Posts: 1966
Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:52 am

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by ravenflight »

spotteddog wrote:Fog r has given me many happy hours of game play and I am very grateful for that Nik. I think I may well be moving on though rules wise so its not a big issue for me now. I don't have any sense of whether or not others are keen for amendments.
Thanks again
HH
I hear what you're saying Mr Dog, but I have no idea what other renaissance rules sets out there would be anywhere near as remotely enjoyable as FoG:R. It has its faults, there is no denying. There's a couple of rules I'd like fixed, and the points scores would be a part of that, but so small an issue that probably not worth worrying about.
timmy1
Lieutenant-General - Nashorn
Lieutenant-General - Nashorn
Posts: 3436
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:39 pm
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, England

Re: The wholly unofficial points revision sticky …

Post by timmy1 »

My interest would certainly pick up if I could see a points change that made my DH, especially Polish Hussars viable (well more viable than Danish Superior HA Horse... that are half the points)
Post Reply

Return to “Field of Glory : Renaissance Wars : General Discussion”