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FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:06 pm
by nikgaukroger
As I have not yet had anything back from Slitherine about how they want the update distributed, and Godendag is very soon, I thought it would be good to share with people the documents that will feed into the formal update document.

These are in a zip file here - https://www.dropbox.com/s/bh3tpk2ck84gs ... s.zip?dl=0

Some you may have seen before. As they are still work in progress some still have references to add, but hopefully most things are clear.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:09 pm
by RonanTheLibrarian
Any chance of an update on the update update?

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:35 pm
by nikgaukroger
It'll happen :lol:

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:35 pm
by nikgaukroger
And it has :lol:

Following recent comments here are a set of updated draft documents.

I’ve remembered to include the Autobreak table this time – 2 versions, one for bases lost and one for bases remaining so you can use the one that you are comfortable with. Hopefully I got the numbers right … If in doubt the bases losses one is correct.

Updated the Artillery in Contact one as well – I’ve gone with just leaving the Art as it was before temporary capture for the cases where it is captured and the enemy BG is no longer in contact in the JAP and included a note at the end to make this (hopefully) clear as it is essentially a change from the original rules. Also updated the PoA table to take away the – PoA for captured/recaptured art shooting in line with this.

For those attending Godendag perhaps I could suggest that these are the docs we use – unless something egregious is spotted?


https://www.dropbox.com/s/r5k5jttubbn28 ... 2.zip?dl=0

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:28 pm
by nikgaukroger
And another - hopefully pretty much there now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcyhy2ca92s7e ... L.zip?dl=0

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:41 pm
by benjones1211
The link goes to a removed file!!

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:20 pm
by nikgaukroger
Apologies.

I realised I hadn't included all of the existing list errata in the list document and so removed the zip file whilst I updated it. Took rather longer than expected ... :roll:

The following link should now be OK.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/br8g69fvorgpu ... L.zip?dl=0

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:25 pm
by timmy1
Not totally useful to those of us without a dropbox account...

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:43 pm
by nikgaukroger
It should be public and downloadable by anyone.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:59 pm
by timmy1
Thanks. Gave it a try and that worked.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:58 am
by benjones1211
The update gives how many commanded shot each army list can have, but not how many can be used in the allied lists. This needs to be defined.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:21 am
by nikgaukroger
benjones1211 wrote:The update gives how many commanded shot each army list can have, but not how many can be used in the allied lists. This needs to be defined.
Only apples to the Early TYWV Swedes. Here is a link to download an update of the lists document - https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqaq04vn37wz0 ... .docx?dl=0

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:14 pm
by benjones1211
Commanded Shot : Some clarifications

The effect of Protection only applies against mounted opponents and mitigates a – or - - PoA (see PoA tables) or Better Armour (see Battle Group Better Armour and Quality). If there is no PoA or Better Armour to negate, then a Protected file fights as 1 Quality Level higher for close combat dice re-rolls (but not for any other dice rolls).

1) mitigates a – or - - PoA, : So does that mean a -- is no PoA disadvantage or just reduced to a - . Implies its no PoA disadvantage
2) or Better Armour : As Protected Horse/Det Horse/Cavaliers ignore better armour anyway (when fighting mounted) why do we need this??

From the Quality rerolls and better armour section.

Types that ignore Better Armour:

• Shot
• Troops armed with Heavy Weapons
• Elephants
• War Wagons
• If fighting against mounted opponent:- Protected Horse, Protected Determined Horse, or Protected Cavaliers

Possible better wording.

The effect of Protection only applies against mounted opponents and mitigates a single – PoA (reducing -- to - or - to no PoA disadvantage) (see PoA tables). If there is no PoA to negate, then a Protected file fights as 1 Quality Level higher for close combat dice re-rolls (but not for any other dice rolls).

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:09 pm
by nikgaukroger
Hi Ben,

As ever thanks for the feedback.

As, IMO, the PoA table is clear about the effect I'm OK with what we have at present. the bit about better armour is, indeed, essentially redundant, but as a significant change from the printed rules I wanted to reinforce it.

However, as it is (alas) likely that there will be further tweaks needed to the various docs as players get to use them in play I will take the opportunity at a later date to amend if deemed necessary.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:15 pm
by benjones1211
Another one that might need to be clarified


The minimum of mounted Battle Troops in the Core Troops section of the army list that must be fielded (if they don't already meet this) rises to 8 bases with the following exceptions:

• Later Spanish
• Covenanting Rebels
• Monmouth Rebellion
• Scots Jacobite

Perhaps this should include
Later Louis XIV French in Spain

As they have the 8 minimum reduced to 4 in Spain, as per * instructions, this will avoid complications as the above and the * in the French list clash and may cause arguments about which has precedence.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:06 am
by nikgaukroger
Probably a good idea for clarity.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:10 pm
by benjones1211
There are some others as well
Restoration British in Tangiers or Scotland

Possibly just a mention that any * exclusions for specific options take precedence.

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:18 pm
by madaxeman
Let me know when we have a final version and i can upload it to the bhgs site

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:58 am
by CaptainGars
Was this project ever completed? If so, where can I find it?

Re: FoG:R Update - an update

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:45 am
by nikgaukroger
Probably easiest to use the BHGS site links - http://www.bhgs.org.uk/fogr-tournament-rules.html#