Early Mykenaean Chariots

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Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by dave_r » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:31 am

It was pointed out to me that heavy chariots are defined as having three or four crew (page 126).

However, the Early Mykenaean list in Army Book One (and indeed in softer than beagles) states in the troop notes

"Although most chariots carried only two crewmen, the very heavy and relatively inflexible bronze plate armour (Dendra panoply) of chariot warriors in this period, the use of a long spear as main weapon, and the strengthened chariot structure compared with Near-Eastern types, suggest that they were intended primarily for close combat and should be classified as Heavy Chariots"

I've got all these Mykenaean chariots figures (with two crew) exactly as depicted in the picture in softer than beagles (ommitted from book one) so how does that work? Is anybody bothered?
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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by nikgaukroger » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:30 am

dave_r wrote: Is anybody bothered?
No.
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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by madaxeman » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:51 pm

Taking a wild f--king stab in the dark here I'd suggest that the rules state that heavy chariots generally have 3-4 crew, however the Mycenean chariots are an exception to this general rule in also being classified as Heavy because of the very heavy and relatively inflexible bronze plate armour (Dendra panoply) of chariot warriors in this period, the use of a long spear as main weapon, and the strengthened chariot structure compared with Near-Eastern types (all of which suggest that they were intended primarily for close combat).

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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by hazelbark » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:06 pm

There is a whole more to thinking on chariots in general that I think a rule set could justify a lot of options.

I think there is a case for some of the HCH to be bow rather than shock or both which I know is a no-no in design philosophy.

Chariots were depending on author and time period:
transport platforms for people to get off and fight.
Crashing into people scary ben-hur types with lots of more troops.
Missile platforms.
etc
etc

Also the whole 3 people make you a heavy is a bit deciding you want heavy and backward arguing. There is quite a lot of disagreement of the Hittite 3 crew being a thing. Then there is the whole chariot runner strain.

With all that I think its pretty easy to say the author was ok in whatever decision.

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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by stancolleymore » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:51 am

When did they change from Mycenaean to Mykenaean? Or is this another of Dave's strange ideas?

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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by philqw78 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:17 pm

Dave thing, like Seleukid. :roll:
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Re: Early Mykenaean Chariots

Post by nikgaukroger » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:16 pm

stancolleymore wrote:When did they change from Mycenaean to Mykenaean? Or is this another of Dave's strange ideas?
The latter - it should be Mykenaian :mrgreen:
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