is this game worse than pike and shot?
is this game worse than pike and shot?
In Steam the reviews of this game is worse than those of Pike and Shot. Is this game not as good as Pike and Shot or what is wrong since it's rated lower? It is the newest game and should have some advantage over Pike and Shot. I am looking at this one or Pike and Shot, but in fact I'm most interested in this game, although I'm not sure if I should buy it with only 71% positive ratings.
Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
most make there own mind up and don't read what a odd steam reviewer puts, unless you know a given person or reviewer from another game you have or like, i wouldn't take much notice of them tbh
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 21&t=73372
or a twitch feed or video may make more sense if your on the fence
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 21&t=73372
or a twitch feed or video may make more sense if your on the fence
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuFrrTwPtHg&list=PL_OljWwpy7h_OH2JEjCTJMJQT-yQdjR3Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYGzkHnaPlA
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sengoku-jidai-shadow-of-the-shogun
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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
Really, they're both fantastic games. Get whichever setting interests you more. You'll probably get addicted and end up with both anyway.
SnuggleBunny's Field of Glory II / Medieval / Pike and Shot / Sengoku Jidai MP Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjUQy6dEqR53NwoGgjxixLg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjUQy6dEqR53NwoGgjxixLg
Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
They are based on exactly the same tabletop rules and use the same game engine. So in this sense they are very similar.jnpoint wrote:In Steam the reviews of this game is worse than those of Pike and Shot. Is this game not as good as Pike and Shot or what is wrong since it's rated lower? It is the newest game and should have some advantage over Pike and Shot. I am looking at this one or Pike and Shot, but in fact I'm most interested in this game, although I'm not sure if I should buy it with only 71% positive ratings.
What is different is that Pike&Shot is about European armies and Sengoku is about Japanese, Korean, Manchu and Mongol armies of this period.
In short: treat Sengoku and Pike&Shot as you would two sourcebooks for a single gaming system. You will either like the game system and thus like both POike and Sengoku, or you won't like the system and you will dislike both games as a result. I have no idea why one would rate P&S higher than SJ:SoS.
Make a decision based on whether you find European or Asian armies more interesting for you - an issue of personal taste that's all.
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Thanks for your time. I think I'll go with this one
Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
They are both excellent games of the same amazing engine, I like P&S because I like European history more, however SJ has additional system of C-n-C where generals matter, also the art work and atmosphere is fitting the period and the theme marvelously.
I do not see exactly why the steam review is lower of SJ, but my guess is the Japanese theme attracted a lot of "japan fans gamers" who are not familiar with Matrix games/ true wargames/ tabletops games, and they got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation or anime/ manga art style.
I do not see exactly why the steam review is lower of SJ, but my guess is the Japanese theme attracted a lot of "japan fans gamers" who are not familiar with Matrix games/ true wargames/ tabletops games, and they got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation or anime/ manga art style.
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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
SJ is better in several ways, Generals, Command & Control, overhead shooting. Love the music and the sets.P&S has many many free scenarios available from a group of absolutely brilliant Modders where as little has been done for SJ in this regard.
Being a tabletop wargamer since the last ice age I find both games are brilliant to play as they simulate the Field of Glory Ancients & Renaissance games beautifully.
The big + for me is the Multi Player (MP) aspect, just love playing other gamers.
Being a tabletop wargamer since the last ice age I find both games are brilliant to play as they simulate the Field of Glory Ancients & Renaissance games beautifully.
The big + for me is the Multi Player (MP) aspect, just love playing other gamers.
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No, just the lack of decent ones. I was very disappointed that the game does not show better the units, it removes immersion.RodyMetal wrote: got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation
In battles, OTAN symbols would be only slightly worse.
Happy the game has other things to give.
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I can easily live without any command control in a wargame. It is pretty marginal in most wargames and just boils down to "keep commander behind your troops close". An annoyance to say the least.Warlord wrote:SJ is better in several ways, Generals, Command & Control, overhead shooting. Love the music and the sets.P&S has many many free scenarios available from a group of absolutely brilliant Modders where as little has been done for SJ in this regard.
Being a tabletop wargamer since the last ice age I find both games are brilliant to play as they simulate the Field of Glory Ancients & Renaissance games beautifully.
The big + for me is the Multi Player (MP) aspect, just love playing other gamers.
What is interesting is how the new overhead shooting system has changed the game in comparison to PS.
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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
I enjoy the art style since it's strongly inspired by period artistic depictions of battles.ERISS wrote:No, just the lack of decent ones. I was very disappointed that the game does not show better the units, it removes immersion.RodyMetal wrote: got rather disappointed due to lack of super graphics/ animation
In battles, OTAN symbols would be only slightly worse.
Happy the game has other things to give.
I find the animations in games like the Total War series to be immersion breaking since they're often so unrealistic.
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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
It's best to get all the DLC for Sengoku to try all the different armies and campaigns. Not many games have Mongols, Chinese, Korean and Japanese armies to try.
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Re: is this game worse than pike and shot?
Don't forget the Tibetans! Their army plays very uniquely.
SnuggleBunny's Field of Glory II / Medieval / Pike and Shot / Sengoku Jidai MP Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjUQy6dEqR53NwoGgjxixLg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjUQy6dEqR53NwoGgjxixLg
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Yea very uniquely.SnuggleBunnies wrote:Don't forget the Tibetans! Their army plays very uniquely.