Pike & Shot makeover
Moderators: rbodleyscott, Slitherine Core, Gothic Labs
Pike & Shot makeover
Is Pike & Shot going get a FOGII type makeover?
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
would be nice, but also no idea, developer is rather busy atm on others projects, but who knows, he may be able to answer
-
- General - Carrier
- Posts: 4999
- Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:42 pm
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Make over??, we still need some expansions with Indians, Persian etc ( and elephants, would love to see how they would be portrayed to fit the style) first!!
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.
I think we will probably have to wait a good while before a return to the age of Pike and Shot if only because there is so much Ancients/Medieval stuff that FoG2 will probably tackle first.
It would be neat to have a small P&S expansion pack focused on the muslim gunpowder empires though. If only to give the Ottomans some Non-European skirmish opponents. I don't think that the Mughals or the Persians would get played as much as the existing European lists in P&S. They would likely be outmatched in the later period of the game except for numbers. Especially, if played against non-historical opponents.
For example, Sengoku's MP scene while still active strikes me as not as popular as either the Early Modern European or Ancients/Medieval periods amongst most western facing gamers. It may just be a case of the audience not being as knowledgable about the period Sengoku covers but the number of open challenges is usually considerably less then P&S Campaigns and only a handful of community scenarios have been made for it. That said Sengoku is an awesome game with some really unique armies. Melee and ranged volleys with arrows in Sengoku seem slightly more decisive and satisfying then in P&S but not quite as streamlined as in FoG2.
All that said I'd love to see Warring States, Han, and other Chinese lists for FoG2 at some point.
I think we will probably have to wait a good while before a return to the age of Pike and Shot if only because there is so much Ancients/Medieval stuff that FoG2 will probably tackle first.
It would be neat to have a small P&S expansion pack focused on the muslim gunpowder empires though. If only to give the Ottomans some Non-European skirmish opponents. I don't think that the Mughals or the Persians would get played as much as the existing European lists in P&S. They would likely be outmatched in the later period of the game except for numbers. Especially, if played against non-historical opponents.
For example, Sengoku's MP scene while still active strikes me as not as popular as either the Early Modern European or Ancients/Medieval periods amongst most western facing gamers. It may just be a case of the audience not being as knowledgable about the period Sengoku covers but the number of open challenges is usually considerably less then P&S Campaigns and only a handful of community scenarios have been made for it. That said Sengoku is an awesome game with some really unique armies. Melee and ranged volleys with arrows in Sengoku seem slightly more decisive and satisfying then in P&S but not quite as streamlined as in FoG2.
All that said I'd love to see Warring States, Han, and other Chinese lists for FoG2 at some point.
-
- General - Carrier
- Posts: 4999
- Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:42 pm
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
I think Mughal etc armies would be quite popular, mismatched or not. I admit I have neglected Sengoku to some degree, but its as deep as P&S certainly. Not enough time and I find I struggled when I was playing matches in FOG1 P&S and Sengouko ( and now FOG2) at the same time. Too different yet too similar to separate, if that makes sense.Pixel wrote:There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.
I think we will probably have to wait a good while before a return to the age of Pike and Shot if only because there is so much Ancients/Medieval stuff that FoG2 will probably tackle first.
It would be neat to have a small P&S expansion pack focused on the muslim gunpowder empires though. If only to give the Ottomans some Non-European skirmish opponents. I don't think that the Mughals or the Persians would get played as much as the existing European lists in P&S. They would likely be outmatched in the later period of the game except for numbers. Especially, if played against non-historical opponents.
For example, Sengoku's MP scene while still active strikes me as not as popular as either the Early Modern European or Ancients/Medieval periods amongst most western facing gamers. It may just be a case of the audience not being as knowledgable about the period Sengoku covers but the number of open challenges is usually considerably less then P&S Campaigns and only a handful of community scenarios have been made for it. That said Sengoku is an awesome game with some really unique armies. Melee and ranged volleys with arrows in Sengoku seem slightly more decisive and satisfying then in P&S but not quite as streamlined as in FoG2.
All that said I'd love to see Warring States, Han, and other Chinese lists for FoG2 at some point.
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
vj531, TheGrayMouser, Pixel and others... ^^ we invite you to TWC- pbem wargaming club to play Byzantine games- FoG2, P&S, Sengoku as multiplayer. Great games really, all deserve more mp activity!
(TWC) The Wargaming Club
http://thewargamingclub.online/
http://thewargamingclub.online/
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Thank you I'll take a look.TWC wrote:vj531, TheGrayMouser, Pixel and others... ^^ we invite you to TWC- pbem wargaming club to play Byzantine games- FoG2, P&S, Sengoku as multiplayer. Great games really, all deserve more mp activity!
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
There is also my Extra Nations Mod which includes an army list for the Persians and many, many others. I designed it as a sandbox campaign, and I think RBS modified it so that you can play custom battles as well.Pixel wrote:There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.
Unfortunately I could not include the Mughals, as I did not have models for the elephants.
Field of Glory II Scenario Designer - Age of Belisarius, Rise of Persia, Wolves at the Gate and Swifter than Eagles.
Field of Glory II Medieval Scenario Designer.
FOGII TT Mod Creator
Warhammer 40,000: Sanctus Reach Tournament Scenario Designer.
Field of Glory II Medieval Scenario Designer.
FOGII TT Mod Creator
Warhammer 40,000: Sanctus Reach Tournament Scenario Designer.
-
- Lieutenant Colonel - Fw 190A
- Posts: 1128
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:39 am
- Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
I hope not as I prefer the P&S graphics over the FoGII graphics and the P&S shooting system where both sides shoot every bound.vj531 wrote:Is Pike & Shot going get a FOGII type makeover?
I have found Light Infantry to be far too powerful in FoGII
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Just out of curiousity can P&S Campaigns and Sengoku Jidai use the Slitherine tournament system?
-
- Field of Glory 2
- Posts: 28047
- Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:25 pm
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Sadly not. This is unlikely to change because it would require engine changes, and no further work on the STUB engine is anticipated.Pixel wrote:Just out of curiousity can P&S Campaigns and Sengoku Jidai use the Slitherine tournament system?
Richard Bodley Scott
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
With all due respect to the striking animations and textures in FoG II, I'd also like to see skins for elephants, chariots, ballistae and narrower Mobs (to use as light infantry) added to P&S, so that it could be expanded into the Classical/Ancient period. I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.
-
- 1st Lieutenant - Grenadier
- Posts: 774
- Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:56 pm
- Location: Germany
- Contact:
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Unfortunatelly graphic is the most important Thing which Counts for 90% of Videogamers. And after 1 or 2 years ist not good enough anymore and they Need the next game. Thats why we will never see a game which covers a lot of timeperiods. I"m sure in 2 or three years we will see a Fog 3.Odenathus wrote:With all due respect to the striking animations and textures in FoG II, I'd also like to see skins for elephants, chariots, ballistae and narrower Mobs (to use as light infantry) added to P&S, so that it could be expanded into the Classical/Ancient period. I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
The genius of P&S:C is that is uses the period artwork as basis for representation of units on the map. This is why I am so happy with the product.
Period pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... -K_063.jpg
Period pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... -K_063.jpg
-
- Sergeant First Class - Panzer IIIL
- Posts: 399
- Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:39 pm
- Location: HRR
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Exactly, I like the unit presentaion in P&S better. Furthermore I have problems with the 'giant' size of the figures in comparison to the map landscape, it's immersion-breaking for me.Odenathus wrote:I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.
Concerning a possible P&S makeover: The only thing (apart from generals and some minor tweaks ) I would like to see are better terrain textures of a higher resolution.
Although I doubt that there will be a FOG3 in a few years I agree that the "attention span" for games is shrinking. Always a delight to see exceptions to this rule.Micha wrote:Unfortunatelly graphic is the most important Thing which Counts for 90% of Videogamers. And after 1 or 2 years ist not good enough anymore and they Need the next game. Thats why we will never see a game which covers a lot of timeperiods. I"m sure in 2 or three years we will see a Fog 3.
IC XC
NI KA
Re: Pike & Shot makeover
Wow! Jomni went a made a bunch of Chinese lists for FoG2! I wasn’t expecting that. See: http://www.matrixgames.com/news/2473/Fi ... .Silk.Road?