Pike & Shot makeover

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Pike & Shot makeover

Post by vj531 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:10 am

Is Pike & Shot going get a FOGII type makeover?

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by zakblood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:02 pm

would be nice, but also no idea, developer is rather busy atm on others projects, but who knows, he may be able to answer :mrgreen:

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by TheGrayMouser » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:04 pm

Make over??, we still need some expansions with Indians, Persian etc ( and elephants, would love to see how they would be portrayed to fit the style) first!!

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Pixel » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:07 pm

There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.

I think we will probably have to wait a good while before a return to the age of Pike and Shot if only because there is so much Ancients/Medieval stuff that FoG2 will probably tackle first.

It would be neat to have a small P&S expansion pack focused on the muslim gunpowder empires though. If only to give the Ottomans some Non-European skirmish opponents. I don't think that the Mughals or the Persians would get played as much as the existing European lists in P&S. They would likely be outmatched in the later period of the game except for numbers. Especially, if played against non-historical opponents.

For example, Sengoku's MP scene while still active strikes me as not as popular as either the Early Modern European or Ancients/Medieval periods amongst most western facing gamers. It may just be a case of the audience not being as knowledgable about the period Sengoku covers but the number of open challenges is usually considerably less then P&S Campaigns and only a handful of community scenarios have been made for it. That said Sengoku is an awesome game with some really unique armies. Melee and ranged volleys with arrows in Sengoku seem slightly more decisive and satisfying then in P&S but not quite as streamlined as in FoG2.

All that said I'd love to see Warring States, Han, and other Chinese lists for FoG2 at some point.
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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by TheGrayMouser » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am

Pixel wrote:There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.

I think we will probably have to wait a good while before a return to the age of Pike and Shot if only because there is so much Ancients/Medieval stuff that FoG2 will probably tackle first.

It would be neat to have a small P&S expansion pack focused on the muslim gunpowder empires though. If only to give the Ottomans some Non-European skirmish opponents. I don't think that the Mughals or the Persians would get played as much as the existing European lists in P&S. They would likely be outmatched in the later period of the game except for numbers. Especially, if played against non-historical opponents.

For example, Sengoku's MP scene while still active strikes me as not as popular as either the Early Modern European or Ancients/Medieval periods amongst most western facing gamers. It may just be a case of the audience not being as knowledgable about the period Sengoku covers but the number of open challenges is usually considerably less then P&S Campaigns and only a handful of community scenarios have been made for it. That said Sengoku is an awesome game with some really unique armies. Melee and ranged volleys with arrows in Sengoku seem slightly more decisive and satisfying then in P&S but not quite as streamlined as in FoG2.

All that said I'd love to see Warring States, Han, and other Chinese lists for FoG2 at some point.
I think Mughal etc armies would be quite popular, mismatched or not. I admit I have neglected Sengoku to some degree, but its as deep as P&S certainly. Not enough time and I find I struggled when I was playing matches in FOG1 P&S and Sengouko ( and now FOG2) at the same time. Too different yet too similar to separate, if that makes sense.

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Post by TWC » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:55 am

vj531, TheGrayMouser, Pixel and others... ^^ we invite you to TWC- pbem wargaming club to play Byzantine games- FoG2, P&S, Sengoku as multiplayer. Great games really, all deserve more mp activity! :wink:
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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by vj531 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:44 pm

TWC wrote:vj531, TheGrayMouser, Pixel and others... ^^ we invite you to TWC- pbem wargaming club to play Byzantine games- FoG2, P&S, Sengoku as multiplayer. Great games really, all deserve more mp activity! :wink:
Thank you I'll take a look.

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Paul59 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:25 pm

Pixel wrote:There is one community scenario with Safavid Persians in P&S already. Battle of Chaldiran. I believe Paul59 made it. Haven't managed to beat it yet. You play as the Persians.
There is also my Extra Nations Mod which includes an army list for the Persians and many, many others. I designed it as a sandbox campaign, and I think RBS modified it so that you can play custom battles as well.

Unfortunately I could not include the Mughals, as I did not have models for the elephants.

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by KiwiWarlord » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:53 am

vj531 wrote:Is Pike & Shot going get a FOGII type makeover?
I hope not as I prefer the P&S graphics over the FoGII graphics and the P&S shooting system where both sides shoot every bound.

I have found Light Infantry to be far too powerful in FoGII

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Pixel » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:38 pm

Just out of curiousity can P&S Campaigns and Sengoku Jidai use the Slitherine tournament system?
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Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:17 am

Pixel wrote:Just out of curiousity can P&S Campaigns and Sengoku Jidai use the Slitherine tournament system?
Sadly not. This is unlikely to change because it would require engine changes, and no further work on the STUB engine is anticipated.
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Post by Odenathus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:28 pm

With all due respect to the striking animations and textures in FoG II, I'd also like to see skins for elephants, chariots, ballistae and narrower Mobs (to use as light infantry) added to P&S, so that it could be expanded into the Classical/Ancient period. I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Micha63 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:23 pm

Odenathus wrote:With all due respect to the striking animations and textures in FoG II, I'd also like to see skins for elephants, chariots, ballistae and narrower Mobs (to use as light infantry) added to P&S, so that it could be expanded into the Classical/Ancient period. I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.
Unfortunatelly graphic is the most important Thing which Counts for 90% of Videogamers. And after 1 or 2 years ist not good enough anymore and they Need the next game. Thats why we will never see a game which covers a lot of timeperiods. I"m sure in 2 or three years we will see a Fog 3.

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Ladislav » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:59 am

The genius of P&S:C is that is uses the period artwork as basis for representation of units on the map. This is why I am so happy with the product.

Period pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... -K_063.jpg

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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Adebar » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:20 am

Odenathus wrote:I still feel happier with a phalanx that looks as though it contains one or two thousand men, rather than sixteen, however beautifully detailed and colourful the latter may be.
Exactly, I like the unit presentaion in P&S better. Furthermore I have problems with the 'giant' size of the figures in comparison to the map landscape, it's immersion-breaking for me.

Concerning a possible P&S makeover: The only thing (apart from generals and some minor tweaks ) I would like to see are better terrain textures of a higher resolution.
Micha wrote:Unfortunatelly graphic is the most important Thing which Counts for 90% of Videogamers. And after 1 or 2 years ist not good enough anymore and they Need the next game. Thats why we will never see a game which covers a lot of timeperiods. I"m sure in 2 or three years we will see a Fog 3.
Although I doubt that there will be a FOG3 in a few years I agree that the "attention span" for games is shrinking. Always a delight to see exceptions to this rule.
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Re: Pike & Shot makeover

Post by Pixel » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Wow! Jomni went a made a bunch of Chinese lists for FoG2! I wasn’t expecting that. See: http://www.matrixgames.com/news/2473/Fi ... .Silk.Road?
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