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ravenflight
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Post by ravenflight »

Hi All,

After perusing my list for the Early Japanese, I started to think about the "Poor Unarmoured Spearmen" Ashigaru.

Hell, they cost 2 points! That's 12 points for a 6 base BG!

Useless as tits on a bull in combat, but absolute gold in boosting your BG count and giving rear support.

So, my question: In anotherwise well balanced army is 4 BG's of Poor crap worth 1 BG of Superior Samurai?
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Re: Japanese

Post by quackstheking »

Difficult question as the USP for Japanese is the superior Samurai which the poor BG's don't provide rear support to. Personally I don't use them (that's not necessarily a recommendation. Ask Kevin J - he's the Guru (or should that be Sensei :wink: )).

Don
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Re: Japanese

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quackstheking wrote:Difficult question as the USP for Japanese is the superior Samurai which the poor BG's don't provide rear support to. Personally I don't use them (that's not necessarily a recommendation. Ask Kevin J - he's the Guru (or should that be Sensei :wink: )).

Don
You're right, but you can have a crap load of average Ashigaru too. My current design has 3 BGs of Average Ashigaru, and 1 support poor, meaning that they really have to 'stay together' or not get the +
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Re: Japanese

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I don't think I deserve Guru status on this, but I do agree with Don, the main thing that gives this army its edge is the Superior Samurai. I don't know how your list is made up, but I tend to intersperse the Ashigaru and Samurai to stop people picking on the weaker type. If you have them all in one clump it makes for a bigger target, with the added bonus of a Poor BG to pick off afterwards. I've tended to use a couple of BGs of Average Ashigaru with Heavy Weapon as support/second line, but they are of course more points.

It's worth looking at the recent postings on the Roll Call event if you've not seen them. There were 4 Japanese armies (it was an Eastern/Americas theme) and Ben's winning army (with maximised Samurai) seems to be the way to go, certainly against other Japanese armies (which are also your most likely historical opponents).
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Re: Japanese

Post by nigelemsen »

alasdair suggested to me the 1543 version.. 8 bgs of samurai, 6x Lf , 4xtc option and rest of points spread around the compulsory average. This was the sub option of zero mounted, ronin and sohei... was quite solid. I built list from mixture of advice, plus i like my armoured horse archer armies so i have made the sin of mixing two approaches... see you at the bottom of the ladder, im sure i can make room... :)
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