Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
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Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Following our successful 25mm competition in previous years we are happy to advise you of the details of this year’s competition.
Armies: 25 mm FOG AM or R armies from any published book
Rules: We will be using FOG R rules irrespective of whether you are using FOG AM or FOG R armies.
To convert FOG AM troop types to the equivalent FOG R troop types use: -
FOGR heavy lance to be used for gendarmes equivalents - say from 1400 onwards
FOGR keils apply to AM pike blocks from the introduction of Pikes into the Swiss armies
FOGAM impact foot who use heavy throwing weapon (legions, Spanish) will take the points of impact foot plus bayonet/swordsmen but count as having light spear versus mounted and straight impact foot versus foot
Undrilled AM HF/MF will count as warrior – except in cases where an argument can be made for unusual levels of cohesiveness e.g. Hoplites
Slingers will count as bows with long range limited to 4 MUs
Compulsory fortified camps need not be bought
AM artillery counts as poor
AM type "protected" and "unprotected" both count as unarmoured
AM spear armed mounted will count as light lance
Army Design: Within your chosen army list select any date and then design four variants of the army which have a total of up to 3000 points. There must be at least 60 points difference between each army. The smallest army must not be less than 640 points and the largest more than 850 points. Field fortifications (FF) are not allowed within the army lists selected. Within your selected date and variant list you can vary allies, generals or troops as you want within those allowed.
Over the 4 games you must use each army at least ONCE.
The competition will use the full rules including the terrain and set-up appendices. In addition: -
• Any heavy or medium artillery must be in the first BG's to be deployed.
• Medium and Heavy artillery cannot be deployed such that they could fire into either flank zone.
• There must be 6 foot battle troop bases for every gun
• There must be No more superior bases than average/poor bases for both Foot and Horse battle troop BG's.
Army lists must specify the number and size of battle groups and their order of march for deployment, and the number and type of commanders chosen. They should also include the territory list for the army. Once an army list has been submitted it may not be changed or altered other than to correct any errors. Players may only correct their errors by making reasonable changes to their list. It is not allowed to completely re-write the list, and the list checkers decision on this is final.
It is hoped that the table size will 8' x 4½’ (but it may be reduced depending on the number of players). Players must supply their own terrain pieces. These must be to an acceptable standard and the umpire will have the discretion to remove unsightly items. Terrain will be based on 25 mm equal to 1 MU. In addition all figures must be representative and painted and based to an acceptable standard. Deployment of the main line will be at 10” with skirmishers at 15” unless the scenarios states otherwise.
Flank marches will not be allowed where the points difference between the two armies is greater the 75 point..
Movement - Movement will be using 40 mm equal to 1 MU.
A limited number of spare 25 mm Armies are available to borrow for players without 25 mm armies (mainly Ancient).
However, those supplying the spare armies request as much notice as possible to find the figures
and ensure they are correctly based.
Fuller details from Robert Medcraft (robertmedcraft2009@hotmail.co.uk).
Cost: The cost of entering the competition is £25 – cheques made payable to Oxford Wargames
Society.
Venue: Wolvercote Village Hall, Wolvercote, Oxford, OX2 8BD
Armies: 25 mm FOG AM or R armies from any published book
Rules: We will be using FOG R rules irrespective of whether you are using FOG AM or FOG R armies.
To convert FOG AM troop types to the equivalent FOG R troop types use: -
FOGR heavy lance to be used for gendarmes equivalents - say from 1400 onwards
FOGR keils apply to AM pike blocks from the introduction of Pikes into the Swiss armies
FOGAM impact foot who use heavy throwing weapon (legions, Spanish) will take the points of impact foot plus bayonet/swordsmen but count as having light spear versus mounted and straight impact foot versus foot
Undrilled AM HF/MF will count as warrior – except in cases where an argument can be made for unusual levels of cohesiveness e.g. Hoplites
Slingers will count as bows with long range limited to 4 MUs
Compulsory fortified camps need not be bought
AM artillery counts as poor
AM type "protected" and "unprotected" both count as unarmoured
AM spear armed mounted will count as light lance
Army Design: Within your chosen army list select any date and then design four variants of the army which have a total of up to 3000 points. There must be at least 60 points difference between each army. The smallest army must not be less than 640 points and the largest more than 850 points. Field fortifications (FF) are not allowed within the army lists selected. Within your selected date and variant list you can vary allies, generals or troops as you want within those allowed.
Over the 4 games you must use each army at least ONCE.
The competition will use the full rules including the terrain and set-up appendices. In addition: -
• Any heavy or medium artillery must be in the first BG's to be deployed.
• Medium and Heavy artillery cannot be deployed such that they could fire into either flank zone.
• There must be 6 foot battle troop bases for every gun
• There must be No more superior bases than average/poor bases for both Foot and Horse battle troop BG's.
Army lists must specify the number and size of battle groups and their order of march for deployment, and the number and type of commanders chosen. They should also include the territory list for the army. Once an army list has been submitted it may not be changed or altered other than to correct any errors. Players may only correct their errors by making reasonable changes to their list. It is not allowed to completely re-write the list, and the list checkers decision on this is final.
It is hoped that the table size will 8' x 4½’ (but it may be reduced depending on the number of players). Players must supply their own terrain pieces. These must be to an acceptable standard and the umpire will have the discretion to remove unsightly items. Terrain will be based on 25 mm equal to 1 MU. In addition all figures must be representative and painted and based to an acceptable standard. Deployment of the main line will be at 10” with skirmishers at 15” unless the scenarios states otherwise.
Flank marches will not be allowed where the points difference between the two armies is greater the 75 point..
Movement - Movement will be using 40 mm equal to 1 MU.
A limited number of spare 25 mm Armies are available to borrow for players without 25 mm armies (mainly Ancient).
However, those supplying the spare armies request as much notice as possible to find the figures
and ensure they are correctly based.
Fuller details from Robert Medcraft (robertmedcraft2009@hotmail.co.uk).
Cost: The cost of entering the competition is £25 – cheques made payable to Oxford Wargames
Society.
Venue: Wolvercote Village Hall, Wolvercote, Oxford, OX2 8BD
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Isabel and I would like 2 places please.
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Certainly. You have two spaces.
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
bob,
can you please pencil me in for a place... Need to get a pass
Thanks
nigel
can you please pencil me in for a place... Need to get a pass
Thanks
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Hi. Can you stick Will Denham and I down for 2 places. Thanks. Pete Simpson
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Pete and Nigel,
Certainly. Always nice to know I will not come last with Will and Nigel playing!!!!
Certainly. Always nice to know I will not come last with Will and Nigel playing!!!!
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Oi! I resemble that remark!
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Yeah yeah , yawnviking123 wrote:Pete and Nigel,
Certainly. Always nice to know I will not come last with Will and Nigel playing!!!!
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I was asked a couple of times last weekend whether there was an end date for the armies in the competition. The end date is 1700 AD so all armies are allowed in any FOG AM or FOG R books.
So Nigel bring on your Ikko Ikki.
So Nigel bring on your Ikko Ikki.
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Cant bring ikko ikki because of the 50:50 on superiors:average I have other plans heheviking123 wrote:I was asked a couple of times last weekend whether there was an end date for the armies in the competition. The end date is 1700 AD so all armies are allowed in any FOG AM or FOG R books.
So Nigel bring on your Ikko Ikki.
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Now just three months away from this competition I have started to refine the rules.
Nigel has raised a good point about the 50/50 rule. If the list you want to use has too many superior/elite troops you can downgrade some to average/poor to give you the correct 50/50 ratio between superiors:average in mounted and foot battle troops BG's.
Nigel has raised a good point about the 50/50 rule. If the list you want to use has too many superior/elite troops you can downgrade some to average/poor to give you the correct 50/50 ratio between superiors:average in mounted and foot battle troops BG's.
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Hi bob, I'm sure it's covered further down, but to specifically ask the question... On the 50:50 rule....viking123 wrote:Now just three months away from this competition I have started to refine the rules.
Nigel has raised a good point about the 50/50 rule. If the list you want to use has too many superior/elite troops you can downgrade some to average/poor to give you the correct 50/50 ratio between superiors:average in mounted and foot battle troops BG's.
Is it?
Question 1:
A. 50:50 across the full army BGs? Eg. 16 BGs in the the army, a max of 8 BGs can be superior or better.
B. Max of 50% can be superior or better of foot BGs fielded and a max of 50% mounted fielded can be superior or better.
Eg. 16 BGs in the army, 8 mounted and 8 foot. Therefore 4 a max of BG can be mounted superior and a max of foot 4 BG can be superior
Question 2:
Are LF and LH included in the ratio restriction?
Thanks
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Nigel,
It is number2 - Max of 50% can be superior or better of foot battle troops BGs fielded and a max of 50% mounted battle troops fielded can be superior or better.
You will note that I have added Battle troops to it. Battle troops excludes light troops - light foot, dragoons and light horse. Artillery is also exclude.
Bob
It is number2 - Max of 50% can be superior or better of foot battle troops BGs fielded and a max of 50% mounted battle troops fielded can be superior or better.
You will note that I have added Battle troops to it. Battle troops excludes light troops - light foot, dragoons and light horse. Artillery is also exclude.
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Thank youviking123 wrote:Nigel,
It is number2 - Max of 50% can be superior or better of foot battle troops BGs fielded and a max of 50% mounted battle troops fielded can be superior or better.
You will note that I have added Battle troops to it. Battle troops excludes light troops - light foot, dragoons and light horse. Artillery is also exclude.
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
And another question
LF, bow in the rear rank of HF/MF under FOGAM .... What will be the POA effect in the comp please? Eg. Later Romans cohorts with LF, bow rear ranks?
Yes, I'm looking at Roman lists
LF, bow in the rear rank of HF/MF under FOGAM .... What will be the POA effect in the comp please? Eg. Later Romans cohorts with LF, bow rear ranks?
Yes, I'm looking at Roman lists
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
They should work like the FoG:R lists with second rank bow. They fire as though they were in the front rank as normal and LF need 2 bases to get 1 dice as usual.nigelemsen wrote:LF, bow in the rear rank of HF/MF under FOGAM .... What will be the POA effect in the comp please? Eg. Later Romans cohorts with LF, bow rear ranks?
HTH
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Steve, Thanks for explaining it so well. even I understood it so Nigel should be alright.
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Hi Bob,
I won't be able to attend this one, I'll be in Spain with some of the CLWC at an ADLG comp.
Simon
I won't be able to attend this one, I'll be in Spain with some of the CLWC at an ADLG comp.
Simon
Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Simon,
We will miss you.
Bob
We will miss you.
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Re: Oxford 25 mm Competition - 29th and 30th October 2016
Looking like I might be able to get a pass out for this one. Can you pencil me in please Bob. No playing partner yet but I'm sure I can get that sorted.
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