Fake hussars
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Fake hussars
The Polish list in clash of empires can have one BG of fake Hussars that are deployed as mounted hussars models and can go on the wings.
Do they move as mounted hussars till they are 6 inches away or the moment you do a complex move (for mob) are you giving the game away.?
Do they move as mounted hussars till they are 6 inches away or the moment you do a complex move (for mob) are you giving the game away.?
Anthony
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On the occasions I have used them, I move the entire mounted wing 5" with 2 generals attached.
Personally I feel that the Mob should be allowed to move attached to other mounted troops for a total of 5" per move maximum to give the illusion that they are Hussars, after all isn't that what they were intended for.
The other way is to have them form a 2nd line, so they move up as in support. The real bugger is when you try to use them in the Later Polish list, you need a 3rd bg of Petyhorsey/Pancerni/Cossacks to give the impression they are real rather than fakes.
On the other hand, at least you have an excuse to field 3 beautifully painted units rather than 2 of the best looking figures in the game.
Personally I feel that the Mob should be allowed to move attached to other mounted troops for a total of 5" per move maximum to give the illusion that they are Hussars, after all isn't that what they were intended for.
The other way is to have them form a 2nd line, so they move up as in support. The real bugger is when you try to use them in the Later Polish list, you need a 3rd bg of Petyhorsey/Pancerni/Cossacks to give the impression they are real rather than fakes.
On the other hand, at least you have an excuse to field 3 beautifully painted units rather than 2 of the best looking figures in the game.
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They are a mob concealed with fake hussars cloths, they move, manouvre end test as pooe mobScrumpy wrote:On the occasions I have used them, I move the entire mounted wing 5" with 2 generals attached.
Personally I feel that the Mob should be allowed to move attached to other mounted troops for a total of 5" per move maximum to give the illusion that they are Hussars, after all isn't that what they were intended for.
The other way is to have them form a 2nd line, so they move up as in support. The real bugger is when you try to use them in the Later Polish list, you need a 3rd bg of Petyhorsey/Pancerni/Cossacks to give the impression they are real rather than fakes.
On the other hand, at least you have an excuse to field 3 beautifully painted units rather than 2 of the best looking figures in the game.
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MatteoPasi wrote:They are a mob concealed with fake hussars cloths, they move, manouvre end test as poor mobScrumpy wrote:On the occasions I have used them, I move the entire mounted wing 5" with 2 generals attached.
Personally I feel that the Mob should be allowed to move attached to other mounted troops for a total of 5" per move maximum to give the illusion that they are Hussars, after all isn't that what they were intended for.
The other way is to have them form a 2nd line, so they move up as in support. The real bugger is when you try to use them in the Later Polish list, you need a 3rd bg of Petyhorsey/Pancerni/Cossacks to give the impression they are real rather than fakes.
On the other hand, at least you have an excuse to field 3 beautifully painted units rather than 2 of the best looking figures in the game.
I believe this to be correct.
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IIRC the tactic was used just once, and I don't recall any detail that would allow you to say they moved at full cavalry speed - after all they can move as a group (sort of) with real hussars at Mob speed. Things used once, allowed generally for a bit of a giggle, don't get much benefit of doubt.
Move as Mob!
Move as Mob!
Nik Gaukroger
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Honestly, the author probably made a mistake to include this gimmick in the list at all, much less the starter army. Seems to be the "flaming pigs" of the Renaissance.nikgaukroger wrote:IIRC the tactic was used just once, and I don't recall any detail that would allow you to say they moved at full cavalry speed - after all they can move as a group (sort of) with real hussars at Mob speed. Things used once, allowed generally for a bit of a giggle, don't get much benefit of doubt.
Move as Mob!
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Of course you can do as I did. I deployed a battlegroup of real hussars quite a way back and moved them at only 3MU's for the first 3 turns, so they simulated "Fake Hussars". My opponant wasn't sure therefore if they were real hussars or mob!! At the appropriate time a general joined them and they deplyed rapidly at 15MU's a go as real hussars - double bluff
Next time if I deploy deep hussars, the question will be - "do you feel lucky today?"
Next time if I deploy deep hussars, the question will be - "do you feel lucky today?"
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I also deploy all my hussars deep and move them all 3" or 6" with a general. That way it keeps my opponent guessing which one is the fake and which is the real. Scrumpy - Walt let you move the fakes 5" and in a group?
That's a bit suprising. He kept watching me like a hawk all games to try to determine which one moved more than 3" as a tell.
That's a bit suprising. He kept watching me like a hawk all games to try to determine which one moved more than 3" as a tell.
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True, but the list needs filler so I think this works.Jhykronos wrote:Honestly, the author probably made a mistake to include this gimmick in the list at all, much less the starter army. Seems to be the "flaming pigs" of the Renaissance.nikgaukroger wrote:IIRC the tactic was used just once, and I don't recall any detail that would allow you to say they moved at full cavalry speed - after all they can move as a group (sort of) with real hussars at Mob speed. Things used once, allowed generally for a bit of a giggle, don't get much benefit of doubt.
Move as Mob!
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Re: Fake hussars
They were used in the Battle of Warsaw in 1656 (so belong in the Later Polish Lithuanian list). If I remember the accounts of the battle correctly they stood on a rise and looked threatening. I don't recall them being used in any other engagement.